deba
12-16 09:17 PM
I totally agree. I am almost fed up with this process for good. Once 180 days are over, I am switching jobs to advance my career. I have made a decision to return to India or go to Canada in case GC does not work out. Came here as a student in '97, PD EB2 India March/2005 and I am almost at the point of 'to hell with this charade'.
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asdfred
08-04 01:24 PM
applied 19th june
TSC
paper based
LUD on 21st june
card production ordered aug 1st
TSC
paper based
LUD on 21st june
card production ordered aug 1st
unitednations
03-08 10:26 PM
While your story is interesting, but I beg to differ again, because, immigration is not something which would be discussed in the Congress for the first time, if we are successfull in bringing something. Each and every single lawmaker in this country understand immigration to the extent that you may not even start to guess...People who oppose us have been putting their restrictive bills again and again so they are going to continue doing that despite of us do something or sleep, do you think Numbersusa wait for us to do something, their anti.... mill will keep churning.
Well,
Good luck to you then. :)
Well,
Good luck to you then. :)
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jobforme
07-10 12:33 PM
How about we come up with a skit where we can reenact the drama about the whole episode in a funny way. Where we can have people portraying roles of USCIS Director, Secrtary of State, Immigrants calling franctically to India to get their documents, parents running around to get doucments, the start of rumor, the employees of uscis working on sunday to adjudicate the cases, then the flip flop of DOS. etc. Then we can put this on youtube and will attract publicity.
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hcard
08-22 05:36 PM
My checks got encashed this friday. Applications were delivered to NSC on July 2nd, later forwarded to TSC. My I140 was approved in TSC.
When the checks get encashed, the receipts number are printed on the back of the check. Using the receipt number you can track your application. I also subscribed for automated email from the USCIS website if there is any change in the status. I got an automated reply from USCIS yesterday.
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Card production ordered.
On August 21, 2007, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service. You can also receive automatic e-mail updates as we process your case. Just follow the link below to register.
When the checks get encashed, the receipts number are printed on the back of the check. Using the receipt number you can track your application. I also subscribed for automated email from the USCIS website if there is any change in the status. I got an automated reply from USCIS yesterday.
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Card production ordered.
On August 21, 2007, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you. If we need something from you we will contact you. If you move before you receive the card, call customer service. You can also receive automatic e-mail updates as we process your case. Just follow the link below to register.
unitednations
08-26 03:15 PM
There were so many rejected L1 Individual petitions filed by TCS/Infy/Wipro etc.. These big companies will include all the internal tools in the resumes and INS asked for the purchase orders for all the specialised tools.
As there were no PO's for those tools, petitions were rejected in large numbers. This has started in the last year and continuing... i personally have lot of friends whose petitions were rejected and went back to India..
I also know a few people from these companies. Remember when the senators/congressmen sent the letters asking for explanation of how they are using h-1/l-1. Companies responded with the biggest bull---- answers.
Now they are seeing what happens when you don't take serious when government representatives ask you things. Unfortunately; they are being picked on but everyone else is becoming collateral damage.
As there were no PO's for those tools, petitions were rejected in large numbers. This has started in the last year and continuing... i personally have lot of friends whose petitions were rejected and went back to India..
I also know a few people from these companies. Remember when the senators/congressmen sent the letters asking for explanation of how they are using h-1/l-1. Companies responded with the biggest bull---- answers.
Now they are seeing what happens when you don't take serious when government representatives ask you things. Unfortunately; they are being picked on but everyone else is becoming collateral damage.
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deepakjain
05-08 05:53 PM
My Apologies if this seems a bit rude to you...
IV is specific for people those who are awaiting permanent residence...but looking at the recent set of events for those who are not in queue and are new here with just 2-3 years of stay in State....on H1B...
Following is happening and it has a reason...I know many of my friends who have been denied H1B, L1 extensions ..these are those people who have just started PERM...
EB2 dates moving to Jan 00 and other not under U, has a specific reason as well; quota is one reason but it is not the only reason in the current state...these is another means to make sure that those who are trying to get GC and other who are trying to stay for 6 years under H1B should be putup into a spot that the thought of leaving this place and ending up back home becomes a reality..
I am sure out of total 500K awaiting the GC process, will have now atleast a second thought of going back home...H1B and L1 under 6 years are now also being forced to return back....
IV is specific for people those who are awaiting permanent residence...but looking at the recent set of events for those who are not in queue and are new here with just 2-3 years of stay in State....on H1B...
Following is happening and it has a reason...I know many of my friends who have been denied H1B, L1 extensions ..these are those people who have just started PERM...
EB2 dates moving to Jan 00 and other not under U, has a specific reason as well; quota is one reason but it is not the only reason in the current state...these is another means to make sure that those who are trying to get GC and other who are trying to stay for 6 years under H1B should be putup into a spot that the thought of leaving this place and ending up back home becomes a reality..
I am sure out of total 500K awaiting the GC process, will have now atleast a second thought of going back home...H1B and L1 under 6 years are now also being forced to return back....
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ravish_kaipa
12-10 01:48 PM
Hi Proud American
I just feel so sorry about your understanding of the modern economics. If you think , by asking foreign born workers to go back you can get more access to the so called "wealth" you are talking about , its time you enroll for an Economics 101 . It is your proud America that has long been shouting from the rooftops about the need to have more open borders, facilitate global transfer of knowledge and commodities . Anyway , I dont think I have to even argue with you as you need lots of orientation before I get into a meaningful debate with you . I am happy for one thing thou , that inspite of zealots like you America has had great visionaries in tha past that made this country the only existing super power in the world , else it would have been like another Eastern European country .
Thanks!
I just feel so sorry about your understanding of the modern economics. If you think , by asking foreign born workers to go back you can get more access to the so called "wealth" you are talking about , its time you enroll for an Economics 101 . It is your proud America that has long been shouting from the rooftops about the need to have more open borders, facilitate global transfer of knowledge and commodities . Anyway , I dont think I have to even argue with you as you need lots of orientation before I get into a meaningful debate with you . I am happy for one thing thou , that inspite of zealots like you America has had great visionaries in tha past that made this country the only existing super power in the world , else it would have been like another Eastern European country .
Thanks!
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TheOmbudsman
10-18 10:11 AM
That's why I said before;some people are pretty sure that if democrats win, we will be alright. In my view it may turn out to be the opposite. Democrats favor illegal immigration. I think they are less inclined to pass our SKULL bill alone. I strongly believe that that democrats would rather attach our bill to the CIR/illegal alien amnesty bill, which still will be controversial to pass. Even if Sen. Specter and his team manage to flood America with illegal aliens, then we may take a hit from the collateral effects caused by millions of applications at USCIS.
If Republicans win, we are problably in a better shape.
Did anyone see Byron Dorgan's (Democratic Senator from North Dakota)interview on Stephen Colbert last night? This guy just wrote an anit-outsourcing book (http://www.amazon.com/Take-This-Job-Ship-Brain-Dead/dp/031235522X --no I am not plugging his book!) and he is full of 'they stole our jobs' rhetoric. This is typical outsourcing/globalization-bashing democratic mentality and it's disturbing to seeit still persists 2 years after Presedential elections.
Am I the only one who thinks that if Democratics takes over the House, we are screwed?
If Republicans win, we are problably in a better shape.
Did anyone see Byron Dorgan's (Democratic Senator from North Dakota)interview on Stephen Colbert last night? This guy just wrote an anit-outsourcing book (http://www.amazon.com/Take-This-Job-Ship-Brain-Dead/dp/031235522X --no I am not plugging his book!) and he is full of 'they stole our jobs' rhetoric. This is typical outsourcing/globalization-bashing democratic mentality and it's disturbing to seeit still persists 2 years after Presedential elections.
Am I the only one who thinks that if Democratics takes over the House, we are screwed?
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pappu
12-15 10:58 AM
Guys check out this article on Washington Post's website:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/14/AR2006121401362.html
A whole lot of anti-immigrant folks are posting their comments. All the eloquent members of IV, please mount a counter attack!
contact the author
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/jacoby.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/14/AR2006121401362.html
A whole lot of anti-immigrant folks are posting their comments. All the eloquent members of IV, please mount a counter attack!
contact the author
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/jacoby.htm
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GCEB2
09-03 10:43 AM
Did you receive teh physical cards by now?
My Case:
08/12/08 - Approval Notice Sent message (This is the only message I got)
08/18/08 - Received the Approval notice by post
No cards till now...:confused:
I am in the same situation
08/12/08 - Approval sent email
08/18/08 - Received the Approval notice by post
No welcome notice or card
No updates.....
My Case:
08/12/08 - Approval Notice Sent message (This is the only message I got)
08/18/08 - Received the Approval notice by post
No cards till now...:confused:
I am in the same situation
08/12/08 - Approval sent email
08/18/08 - Received the Approval notice by post
No welcome notice or card
No updates.....
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feedfront
08-26 03:39 PM
Even my case was transferred from NSC to TSC. My I-485 receipt has receipt date as July 3 2007 but the notice date is September 7 2007. My A# is on the receipt but no PD.
Did you get transfer notice? What's receipt date on transfer notice?
I've everything on my I-485 and transfer notice but PD is missing because it was not filed concurrently with I-140.
I-485's receipt date is Jul 30, 2007, notice date oct 11, 2007
Transfer notice for I-485: receipt date is Oct 10, 2007 and notice date: Oct 12, 2007.
Both has same A#, and receipt#.
Did you get transfer notice? What's receipt date on transfer notice?
I've everything on my I-485 and transfer notice but PD is missing because it was not filed concurrently with I-140.
I-485's receipt date is Jul 30, 2007, notice date oct 11, 2007
Transfer notice for I-485: receipt date is Oct 10, 2007 and notice date: Oct 12, 2007.
Both has same A#, and receipt#.
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santiwar
12-17 05:53 PM
This may be the *best advice*, imo.
Most "youngsters" (makes me feel really old now.. doesn't it.. ) visiting the U.S. for business/work/education seem to have no plans of residing in this country permanently. Most I've talked to in the past year or two are keen on returning home, or somewhere else.
Particularly true in case of India, imo.
jazz
Give them a year or two more, when they have become comfortable with the american lifestyle and facilities we now take for granted (driving on freeways, easy access to libraries, parks to go for a run etc), and they will be probably singing a different tune.
I came here eight yers ago muttering the same "Will make a few bucks and go back home" line. Still here and living it up :)
I took up running 6 years ago primarily as i was trying to quit smoking, and also, there was a great running track right outside my house (obviously, free for anyone to use). Then I went to Mumbai last year and decided to go for a run, five minutes into the run and i was being chased by 2 dogs (and i don't mean the cops :p). The point i am trying to make here is. There are things in this country that we start taking for granted. lets appreciate it!
Another tip i would suggest to keep your mind occupied is to learn a foreign language. Invest in an Ipod if you do not have one already. Download free podcasts thet teach french,spanish, german etc. Listen to it while running. You are doing two things at the same time, staying fit and learning.
maybe we can have an IV 5K run sometime in the spring if things do not change. just a suggestion..
Most "youngsters" (makes me feel really old now.. doesn't it.. ) visiting the U.S. for business/work/education seem to have no plans of residing in this country permanently. Most I've talked to in the past year or two are keen on returning home, or somewhere else.
Particularly true in case of India, imo.
jazz
Give them a year or two more, when they have become comfortable with the american lifestyle and facilities we now take for granted (driving on freeways, easy access to libraries, parks to go for a run etc), and they will be probably singing a different tune.
I came here eight yers ago muttering the same "Will make a few bucks and go back home" line. Still here and living it up :)
I took up running 6 years ago primarily as i was trying to quit smoking, and also, there was a great running track right outside my house (obviously, free for anyone to use). Then I went to Mumbai last year and decided to go for a run, five minutes into the run and i was being chased by 2 dogs (and i don't mean the cops :p). The point i am trying to make here is. There are things in this country that we start taking for granted. lets appreciate it!
Another tip i would suggest to keep your mind occupied is to learn a foreign language. Invest in an Ipod if you do not have one already. Download free podcasts thet teach french,spanish, german etc. Listen to it while running. You are doing two things at the same time, staying fit and learning.
maybe we can have an IV 5K run sometime in the spring if things do not change. just a suggestion..
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YesGC_NoGC
06-27 10:19 AM
What is the commitment period? I know this is frustrating but deal with that as time passes by, who knows you manager changes by the time you decide to change the job or your client send a request to hire you to your vendor and in general no vendor refuse client request. Once this agreement is in file do you think someone will have time to bring this up and read clause by clause that too when you have left... there can be many reasons to leave and can not be covered under any agreement.
I will not worry about sigining this, this has no value once you get GC or become full time employee,in order to execute this agreement , they have to make sure/prove they have this agreement with each and every employee. Legal terms "EMPLOYMENT IS AT WILL" in order to chase you for 10K they need to spend time & cost both.
Here you go - These are the wordings !
$$$$
1. Employee had agreed to pay $ 10,000 if Employee resigns within first year of receiving the green card (hereinafter �Commitment Period�). After payment of the salary for the working days till the commitment period subject to all applicable payroll taxes and deductions, completes the transaction and Employee agrees that he has no other claims against the company.
$$$$$
Also there are more sensitive clauses like >>>>
8. EMPLOYEE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS AGREEMENT CREATES A PERMANENT BAR AGAINST THE FILING OF ANY LAWSUIT OR THE ASSERTION OF ANY LEGAL CLAIM WHATSOEVER AGAINST ANY RELEASEE WITH RESPECT TO ANY ACTS, OMISSIONS, OBLIGATIONS, BREACHES, OR DAMAGES ARISING OR OCCURRING PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION HEREOF, WHETHER KNOWN OR UNKNOWN BY EMPLOYEE.
BY SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT, EMPLOYEE STATES THAT HE:
a) HAS READ IT AND HAS HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO CONSIDER ITS TERMS;
b) UNDERSTANDS IT AND KNOWS THAT HE IS GIVING UP IMPORTANT RIGHTS;
c) AGREES WITH EVERYTHING IN IT;
d) HAS CONSULTED WITH AN ATTORNEY BEFORE SIGNING IT; AND
3
e) HAS SIGNED IT KNOWINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY.
FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN (7) DAYS AFTER THE EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT BY EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE MAY REVOKE THIS AGREEMENT; AND THIS AGREEMENT SHALL NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE OR ENFORCEABLE UNTIL THE REVOCATION PERIOD HAS EXPIRED.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Parties have executed and entered into this Agreement.
I will not worry about sigining this, this has no value once you get GC or become full time employee,in order to execute this agreement , they have to make sure/prove they have this agreement with each and every employee. Legal terms "EMPLOYMENT IS AT WILL" in order to chase you for 10K they need to spend time & cost both.
Here you go - These are the wordings !
$$$$
1. Employee had agreed to pay $ 10,000 if Employee resigns within first year of receiving the green card (hereinafter �Commitment Period�). After payment of the salary for the working days till the commitment period subject to all applicable payroll taxes and deductions, completes the transaction and Employee agrees that he has no other claims against the company.
$$$$$
Also there are more sensitive clauses like >>>>
8. EMPLOYEE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS AGREEMENT CREATES A PERMANENT BAR AGAINST THE FILING OF ANY LAWSUIT OR THE ASSERTION OF ANY LEGAL CLAIM WHATSOEVER AGAINST ANY RELEASEE WITH RESPECT TO ANY ACTS, OMISSIONS, OBLIGATIONS, BREACHES, OR DAMAGES ARISING OR OCCURRING PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION HEREOF, WHETHER KNOWN OR UNKNOWN BY EMPLOYEE.
BY SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT, EMPLOYEE STATES THAT HE:
a) HAS READ IT AND HAS HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO CONSIDER ITS TERMS;
b) UNDERSTANDS IT AND KNOWS THAT HE IS GIVING UP IMPORTANT RIGHTS;
c) AGREES WITH EVERYTHING IN IT;
d) HAS CONSULTED WITH AN ATTORNEY BEFORE SIGNING IT; AND
3
e) HAS SIGNED IT KNOWINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY.
FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN (7) DAYS AFTER THE EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT BY EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE MAY REVOKE THIS AGREEMENT; AND THIS AGREEMENT SHALL NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE OR ENFORCEABLE UNTIL THE REVOCATION PERIOD HAS EXPIRED.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Parties have executed and entered into this Agreement.
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payur
11-21 01:04 PM
Mehul:
first of all, do not lose hope. You should be determined to fight.
Please be sure we all have problems and all of us are fighting so do not think you are the unlucky one...take that thought out of your mind. And then fight and if you are determined to live, you can even beat this so called fatal disease! It is all in you, the power, bring out the power, whether you do Yoga or prayers... You can fight. You must understand that God is in you and even in your so called fatal cancer. God is everywhere, even in each action you do..connect with IT...and you will be at peace..and if you feel being in US will help all of you, so pray for it...BUT YOU MUST FIGHT AND CONNECT..
whether YOGA or PARYERS..its upto you..constantly think about IT...
Connect with IT
and YOU WILL DEFINTELY GET THE ANSWER! Please do not self pit yourself...NEVER GET THAT THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND..
E THE FORCE WITH YOU! HAVE FAITH IN IT! YOU WILL DO GOOD! ALL YOU YOU WILL DO GOOD!
Mehul, I totally agree with desibechara. Never get the thought in your mind. 90% of it can be cured with positive thinking. Be brave and fight it. My prayers are with you and your family members.
first of all, do not lose hope. You should be determined to fight.
Please be sure we all have problems and all of us are fighting so do not think you are the unlucky one...take that thought out of your mind. And then fight and if you are determined to live, you can even beat this so called fatal disease! It is all in you, the power, bring out the power, whether you do Yoga or prayers... You can fight. You must understand that God is in you and even in your so called fatal cancer. God is everywhere, even in each action you do..connect with IT...and you will be at peace..and if you feel being in US will help all of you, so pray for it...BUT YOU MUST FIGHT AND CONNECT..
whether YOGA or PARYERS..its upto you..constantly think about IT...
Connect with IT
and YOU WILL DEFINTELY GET THE ANSWER! Please do not self pit yourself...NEVER GET THAT THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND..
E THE FORCE WITH YOU! HAVE FAITH IN IT! YOU WILL DO GOOD! ALL YOU YOU WILL DO GOOD!
Mehul, I totally agree with desibechara. Never get the thought in your mind. 90% of it can be cured with positive thinking. Be brave and fight it. My prayers are with you and your family members.
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delhiguy
07-07 08:58 AM
Delhiguy you are right and dont participate in any protest some of the members are making, have fun with your family, if you have any, and chill out. dont worry what others are doing
USCIS and gov make laws and break laws we dont have right to ask, but when we got hurt we should make them know how did they hurt us so that they will not do that to future immigrants, that's it.
I am doing things, which i could have done , I am sorry if my views collided with yours ,
USCIS and gov make laws and break laws we dont have right to ask, but when we got hurt we should make them know how did they hurt us so that they will not do that to future immigrants, that's it.
I am doing things, which i could have done , I am sorry if my views collided with yours ,
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nrk
08-27 04:04 PM
As we are nearing to August ending, does any one have a good idea of how many cases approved in this month. (Auguest 2010)
I see 384 cases approved for EB2 India in track it. i am expecting it is much more than that in August 2010. any comments.
Thanks,
I see 384 cases approved for EB2 India in track it. i am expecting it is much more than that in August 2010. any comments.
Thanks,
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fightnow
07-06 07:52 PM
I mentioned to the police that most participants are from China and India. This is true. Both are the main victims of backlog and what so ever.
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rajesh_kamisetty
07-02 09:08 AM
Hindi math bol. Yeha peh sirf English bholna jaruri hai :D
Just kidding.... Please use English for the benefit of non-Hindi folks. And I am not just talking about Desis.
Tum log baawle ho gaye ho jo package tracking ke liye thread khola hain. You need serious therapy.
Just kidding.... Please use English for the benefit of non-Hindi folks. And I am not just talking about Desis.
Tum log baawle ho gaye ho jo package tracking ke liye thread khola hain. You need serious therapy.
pappu
12-10 01:48 PM
Guys,
There are many more trailer-park, red-neck, f*** heads like proud american out there. We really really have to very discreet both at work and other places when we talk about various strategies, like webfax campaign, phone campaign etc.
I was going through the discussion forums of the oppt side too this week and one of the s***heads aparently overheard one of IV members asking ppl to start making phone calls to various senators/congressmen. Then he went throwing on on a barrage of insults at all Indians (i dont know why they want to single out Indians only) calling us pests and all sorts of name-calling. Then he went on to say that the good news is that these 'pests' are planning to go back to their home-lands if they dont get the 'green' soon. So he was asking everyone else to call the senators and oppose the bill. And then the ultimate thing - he says that they "have a lot of legitimate ways to make our lives miserable" in the US...Do i hear KKK there??
This is what happens when we are not discreet at work place. They claim that we are using our work hours to do personal stuff. And he felt obliged to do the same too. Obviously nobody cribs when all of us hard-workers work overtime to get things done.
Anyway, please be careful at work places, be friendly with everyone but have this in your mind that there is someone always overhearing in the next cube/office and possibly monitoring the web sites being visited (like the above guy that i mentioned, did i forget to say that he was the IT admin who was monitoring all the sites that the Indians were visiting?).
pls email the url of the site you mentioned above
There are many more trailer-park, red-neck, f*** heads like proud american out there. We really really have to very discreet both at work and other places when we talk about various strategies, like webfax campaign, phone campaign etc.
I was going through the discussion forums of the oppt side too this week and one of the s***heads aparently overheard one of IV members asking ppl to start making phone calls to various senators/congressmen. Then he went throwing on on a barrage of insults at all Indians (i dont know why they want to single out Indians only) calling us pests and all sorts of name-calling. Then he went on to say that the good news is that these 'pests' are planning to go back to their home-lands if they dont get the 'green' soon. So he was asking everyone else to call the senators and oppose the bill. And then the ultimate thing - he says that they "have a lot of legitimate ways to make our lives miserable" in the US...Do i hear KKK there??
This is what happens when we are not discreet at work place. They claim that we are using our work hours to do personal stuff. And he felt obliged to do the same too. Obviously nobody cribs when all of us hard-workers work overtime to get things done.
Anyway, please be careful at work places, be friendly with everyone but have this in your mind that there is someone always overhearing in the next cube/office and possibly monitoring the web sites being visited (like the above guy that i mentioned, did i forget to say that he was the IT admin who was monitoring all the sites that the Indians were visiting?).
pls email the url of the site you mentioned above
waitnwatch
08-18 02:53 PM
Two things..........
I'm sure you can put your point across without bandying about your expertise in the English language.
your juvenile logic about the USCIS deciding how important your work is can be extended to how much you get paid too. How about demanding that you be paid equal to CEO's of fortune 100's!
And finally you still want to live in the US
Exactly... there is no such thing as LOW HANGING BALLS.... they shuld be fair to everyone... this is just a case of discrimination... first make all these useless categoreis... EB-1, eb2 blah blah..... i mean cummon who the fuck are they to decide how important my work is.... or under what category it falls... i thought the americans considered all work equal.. and respected everyone... well that was my impression before coming here... anyways.... so much fucking hipocrisy....
I'm sure you can put your point across without bandying about your expertise in the English language.
your juvenile logic about the USCIS deciding how important your work is can be extended to how much you get paid too. How about demanding that you be paid equal to CEO's of fortune 100's!
And finally you still want to live in the US
Exactly... there is no such thing as LOW HANGING BALLS.... they shuld be fair to everyone... this is just a case of discrimination... first make all these useless categoreis... EB-1, eb2 blah blah..... i mean cummon who the fuck are they to decide how important my work is.... or under what category it falls... i thought the americans considered all work equal.. and respected everyone... well that was my impression before coming here... anyways.... so much fucking hipocrisy....
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